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**jmw**

I have read about "conservative Christians" and other belief systems on this site for a while. To be quite honest, I can't think of the first anti-christian post that has ever offended me. I thought I would take this opportunity to join in with some of the criticisms.

First, it was the "conservative" religious crowd that crucified Jesus. Without boring everyone with doctrine (jajajaja), just let me say that Jesus fought against the whole "letter of the law" crowd while he was on earth. At the same time, he never once disagreed with old testament law. He simply preached mercy and forgiveness for those trespasses.

Second, that conservative crowd that crucified Jesus, is still alive and active. I call it a religious spirit. Call it whatever you want to call it. But the same attitude that is alive in Osama is alive in the Christian right today. They are twin attitudes. One will kill your body, the other your soul and spirit.

Third, none of what I am saying is meant to nullify scripture. Jesus didn't nullify it when he was here. He even said that not one "jot or tittle" would be done away with.

Finally, I think the word Christian is thrown around way to easily today. This may make a few people mad, but that is not my intention. (I want to share my opinion on this topic as it seems to crop up when I visit here even if I don't initiate it.) Jesus taught about being in covenant with him. That is what it means to be a Christian; being in covenant with Christ. The closest thing we have to that in our society today is marriage. Just as Jill would not marry Jack if he insisted on dating around, so Jesus doesn't "marry" or go into covenant with those that want to have allegence to other gods or sin or self or whatever you want to describe it. Basically, Jesus, as best I can tell, said it this way "I laid down my life and I expect you to do the same".

In other words, a Christian is someone that gives up their right to their life and hands that right over to Christ. He/She is in covenant with Jesus and is surrendered to him. For this reason, Jesus said that "not everyone that says Lord, Lord will enter in...".

Now, the religious right often seek to control others. Yet, Jesus made an offer to humanity but has not yet forced his will on anyone! For this reason, I do not understand why the religious right pushes a "Christian agenda" in politics. Wait... I really do. It is because of the attitude or spirit of the Pharisees.

Anyway... I just thought I would throw that out there for discussion. I think many people here have had very bad experiences with religion, just like Jesus did. But even so, Jesus still found God and made his way to church. He just didn't become too tight with those religious conservatives.

Well, I am not sure what I am expecting from this post. But it was fun writing it anyway.
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**hippiechick** · Posted: Fri 02 09, 2007 4:46 pm Post subject:

i think the "problem" so to speak, with organized religion is that for every person who claims to be a dedicated follower of their faith, there is someone else telling them that they're doing it wrong. the term "christian" is pretty meaningless because it could address the united church, the evangelists or a jehovah's witness. or it could simply mean someone who believes that Jesus was the son of God.

same goes for most religions.

**jmw** · Posted: Fri 02 09, 2007 4:53 pm Post subject:

**johann911** · Member Joined: 24 Nov 2006 Posts: 336

if the gnostic texts are correct Judas was supposed to hand Jesus over.
it was his destiny to die, so his blood would forever cleanse our sins.
no more blood sacrifices. do unto others.

some christians today, WWJD? he'd probably grab the jawbone of an ass and beat the living hell out of them.

**Rubito** · Posted: Sat 02 10, 2007 5:32 am Post subject:

jwv, sounds EXACTLY like what I was saying 18-20 years ago Razz

I have obviously changed quite a bit since then.
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**cerealkiller** · Posted: Sat 02 10, 2007 6:37 am Post subject:

this topic made me queasy, I dont mean to offend anyone with very strong religious beliefs but I think they are stupifying.

**kernow** · Posted: Sat 02 10, 2007 7:15 am Post subject:

**Katt** · Posted: Sat 02 10, 2007 8:59 am Post subject:

**kernow** · Posted: Sat 02 10, 2007 9:14 am Post subject:

**cerealkiller** · Posted: Sat 02 10, 2007 9:26 am Post subject:

Oh Kernow those are the worst...havent you heard? You need help, you are not a lost cause yet, you do acknowledge you are a ManUtd fanatic, next step is to admit this is a big problem...
By the way, I didnt mean to be rude and strong religious beliefs are a rather vague thing, so Ill elaborate a little. Back in new years i met some of my bf's friends and as usual, we ended up talking politics..iraq, 9-11 yadda yadda...this woman sat down on the table and said she supported Bush because muslims are the bad guys and she sees no problem with people dying because the bible says (and here i am reconstructing my interpretation, i dont know much about what the bible says) that God's two sons- peoples (east and west) will never live in peace and will always try and exterminate the other or something to that effect...how can u argue with someone who believes with her whole heart that war and deaths are not a horrible thing because its in the bible??? I wanted to hit her in the head with a bat and smack some sense into her...

**kernow** · Posted: Sat 02 10, 2007 10:37 am Post subject:

**quindioman** · Resident Ñero Joined: 08 Jun 2006 Posts: 2310

**hippiechick** · Posted: Sat 02 10, 2007 8:33 pm Post subject:

**quindioman** · Resident Ñero Joined: 08 Jun 2006 Posts: 2310

**quindioman** · Resident Ñero Joined: 08 Jun 2006 Posts: 2310

Talking about Christianity and the Moromons to be more precise I was quite stunned to find that amongst their literature they said that all black people descended from Cain and the mark that God gave to Cain was the flat nose...i nearly choked on the cheese & onion quiche I was enjoying.....it seems the Mormons have been dogged with accusations of racism....if comments like those are true I can see why.

**hippiechick** · Posted: Sat 02 10, 2007 8:59 pm Post subject:

okay i'm going to ask this even though half of you will think i'm a moron.

who's cain?

(sorry that's what you get from atheist parents)

**kernow** · Posted: Sat 02 10, 2007 9:27 pm Post subject:

**quindioman** · Resident Ñero Joined: 08 Jun 2006 Posts: 2310

I've got a long way to go before I'm half as funny as you kernow

**quindioman** · Resident Ñero Joined: 08 Jun 2006 Posts: 2310

**quindioman** · Resident Ñero Joined: 08 Jun 2006 Posts: 2310

See..... I could start my own brand of Christianity where Jehovah God is so blatantly not vegetarian......kinda reminds me of my good friend in Colombia who said to me that in Colombia there are 2 sure fire ways to get rich....one go the drug route or two start a church

**hippiechick** · Posted: Sat 02 10, 2007 9:42 pm Post subject:

lol... thanks for the explanation. i figured if i was patient you'd fill me in.

:)

**kernow** · Posted: Sat 02 10, 2007 9:48 pm Post subject:

**scooby_1781** · Posted: Sat 02 10, 2007 10:50 pm Post subject:

Here's a little lesson on the word Christian. to understand the word you must break it into the base pieces Christ & ian first we'll explore the word Christ

Christ
O.E. crist, from L. Christus, from Gk. khristos "the anointed" (translation of Heb. mashiah, see messiah), from khriein "to rub, anoint,"

1. The Messiah, as foretold by the prophets of the Hebrew Scriptures. Often used with the.

This tells us that the word Christ is a title, the title means the Messiah or Anointed one.

Now lets move on to the suffix ian as in Christ ian

ian: The root is a Noun: related to, one that is/ then combined with the word Christ ian is a follower of the Christ or Messiah and history has shown that early christians believed the Messiah to be the man Jesus of Nazareth.

Jesus
c.1175 (O.E. simply used hÊlend "savior"), from Gk. Iesous, attempt to render Aramaic proper name Jeshua (Heb. Yeshua) "Jah is salvation," Jesus is a common Jewish personal name, the later form of Heb. Yehoshua (see Joshua).

Now Jesus was sometimes also given the title of rabbi
Rabbi
1. a title of respect for a Jewish scholar or teacher.
2. a Jewish scholar qualified to rule on questions of Jewish law.
3. any of the Jewish scholars of the 1st to 6th centuries a.d. who contributed to the writing, editing, or compiling of the Talmud.
4. Slang. a personal patron or adviser, as in business.

And it is proven that on many occasions Jesus taught the people.

Now to sum it all up: This tells us is that a Christian is a follower of the teachings of the Rabbi (teacher) Jesus the Christ (messiah), from the town of Nazareth.
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**quindioman** · Resident Ñero Joined: 08 Jun 2006 Posts: 2310

much appreciated Scooby

**kernow** · Posted: Sun 02 11, 2007 8:00 am Post subject: