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aztec
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| quindioman wrote: | | See..... I could start my own brand of Christianity where Jehovah God is so blatantly not vegetarian......kinda reminds me of my good friend in Colombia who said to me that in Colombia there are 2 sure fire ways to get rich....one go the drug route or two start a church |
How about a school? |
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quindioman
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| Posted: Sun 02 11, 2007 3:18 pm Post subject: |
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| aztec wrote: | | quindioman wrote: | | See..... I could start my own brand of Christianity where Jehovah God is so blatantly not vegetarian......kinda reminds me of my good friend in Colombia who said to me that in Colombia there are 2 sure fire ways to get rich....one go the drug route or two start a church |
How about a school? |
There's no money to be made there  |
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hippiechick
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| Posted: Sun 02 11, 2007 4:07 pm Post subject: |
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| quindioman wrote: | | aztec wrote: |
How about a school? |
There's no money to be made there |
then why the hell are we sending so much money down there to pay for my step daughter's tuition? |
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quindioman
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| qswife wrote: | | quindioman wrote: | | aztec wrote: |
How about a school? |
There's no money to be made there |
then why the hell are we sending so much money down there to pay for my step daughter's tuition? |
I stand corrected.....perhaps there is a 3rd way to get filthy rich in Colombia |
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jmw
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| kernow wrote: | | cerealkiller wrote: | | this topic made me queasy, I dont mean to offend anyone with very strong religious beliefs but I think they are stupifying. |
I applaude JMW and Scooby for sharing their beliefs. It is also nice that they are not ridiculed nor do they ridicule the beliefs of others, at least not on this forum. I cannot imagine some other forums being so understanding.
The only thing that gets me is that they are always trying to convert me (not JMW and Scooby). I even put a slightly paganistic brass door knocker on my front door, thinking that it would halt them in their tracks, did it bugger!
So now when the Mormons come I am a Jehova's Witness and when the Jehova's Witnesses come knocking I am a Mormon, it soon sends them packing.
I think the door knocker is keeping the Southern Baptists at bay for the time being. |
Kernow, you always crack me up dude.
The reason for the post is that I often see people talking about religion on this board. So instead of thread robbing, I thought I would simply throw out my own thread.
Pagans only make us Christians hungrier. We actually have trophies in our houses for people that get saved. A pagan is worth 10 atheist. 
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kernow
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| jmw wrote: | | kernow wrote: | | cerealkiller wrote: | | this topic made me queasy, I dont mean to offend anyone with very strong religious beliefs but I think they are stupifying. |
I applaude JMW and Scooby for sharing their beliefs. It is also nice that they are not ridiculed nor do they ridicule the beliefs of others, at least not on this forum. I cannot imagine some other forums being so understanding.
The only thing that gets me is that they are always trying to convert me (not JMW and Scooby). I even put a slightly paganistic brass door knocker on my front door, thinking that it would halt them in their tracks, did it bugger!
So now when the Mormons come I am a Jehova's Witness and when the Jehova's Witnesses come knocking I am a Mormon, it soon sends them packing.
I think the door knocker is keeping the Southern Baptists at bay for the time being. |
Kernow, you always crack me up dude.
The reason for the post is that I often see people talking about religion on this board. So instead of thread robbing, I thought I would simply throw out my own thread.
Pagans only make us Christians hungrier. We actually have trophies in our houses for people that get saved. A pagan is worth 10 atheist. |
Don't you have to convince folks that there is something to be saved from first. 
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jmw
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Don't you have to convince folks that there is something to be saved from first. |
Sometimes. But with you, that should be easy. I mean, one minute your a pagan, then your a mormon, then a JW. Sounds pretty lost or confused to me. I will be happy to lead you the way home. 
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jmw
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Good post Scooby! One of my points is that not everyone that says they are Christian actually practice the teachings of Christ. Unfortunately, some of my zealous "bretheren" have taken it upon themselves to control others through politics or some other means instead of serving humanity and allow God to work in the heart of the unbeliever.
Thanks for the post.
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JD
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| Posted: Sun 02 11, 2007 4:51 pm Post subject: Re: Christianity... some of my views... |
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| jmw wrote: | In other words, a Christian is someone that gives up their right to their life and hands that right over to Christ. He/She is in covenant with Jesus and is surrendered to him. For this reason, Jesus said that "not everyone that says Lord, Lord will enter in...".
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JWM speaks the truth...only most people would not use the term and their lives over to Christ...too melodramatic...
I for one, regardless of what others think still believe I'm a Christian. |
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kernow
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| jmw wrote: | | kernow wrote: |
Don't you have to convince folks that there is something to be saved from first. |
Sometimes. But with you, that should be easy. I mean, one minute your a pagan, then your a mormon, then a JW. Sounds pretty lost or confused to me. I will be happy to lead you the way home. |
Thanks for the kind offer all the same. I extend the same kind offer to you, when you are ready to worship the natural way.
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jmw
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Thanks for the kind offer all the same. I extend the same kind offer to you, when you are ready to worship the natural way. |
I have a special place in my trophy case just for you Kernow. jajajaj
Dude, you are a riot!
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hippiechick
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| jmw wrote: | | kernow wrote: |
Don't you have to convince folks that there is something to be saved from first. |
Sometimes. But with you, that should be easy. I mean, one minute your a pagan, then your a mormon, then a JW. Sounds pretty lost or confused to me. I will be happy to lead you the way home. |
i just fell off my couch laughing...nice one JMW. |
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scooby_1781
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| cerealkiller wrote: | | Pagans only make us Christians hungrier. We actually have trophies in our houses for people that get saved. A pagan is worth 10 atheist. |
Thats too funny dude, hey we should invent a christian video game where you go door to door and see who you can save. If you save someone then you get 10 points but if they slam the door in your face you lose points. If you run over an atheist with your car you get 50 points and if you burn down an abortion clinic you get 100 points LMAO (I hope you all realize I am just kidding I do not advocate any of those things) | jmw wrote: | Good post Scooby! One of my points is that not everyone that says they are Christian actually practice the teachings of Christ. Unfortunately, some of my zealous "bretheren" have taken it upon themselves to control others through politics or some other means instead of serving humanity and allow God to work in the heart of the unbeliever.
Thanks for the post. |
It's not faith in God thats flawed it's some individuals interpretation thats flawed and creats zealots. Throughout history there have been nutjobs commiting atrocities in the name of religion. Millions of people have been killed by some whackos interpretation of religion. And it is just that mans flawed interpretation, all of todays major religions preach peace & love as their main themes. Then along comes a David Kerish, Jim Jones, Ayatollah Khomeini to pervert the purity of faith for political, selfish or monitary gain.
Human sacrifice blossomed in the Mayan theocracy of Central America between the 11th and 16th centuries. To appease a feathered-serpent god, maidens were drowned in sacred wells and other victims either had their hearts cut out, were shot with arrows, or were beheaded. Elsewhere, sacrifice was sporadic.
In Peru, pre-Inca tribes killed children in temples called "houses of the moon."
In the 1200s the Incas built their empire in Peru, a society dominated by priests reading daily magical signs and offering sacrifices to appease many gods. At major ceremonies up to 200 children were burned as offerings. Special "chosen women" -- comely virgins without blemish -- were strangled
The Aztecs began their elaborate theocracy in the 1300s and brought human sacrifice to a golden era. About 20,000 people were killed yearly to appease gods -- especially the sun god, who needed daily "nourishment" of blood. Hearts of sacrifice victims were cut out, and some bodies were eaten ceremoniously. Other victims were drowned, beheaded, burned or dropped from heights. In a rite to the rain god, shrieking children were killed at several sites so that their tears might induce rain. In a rite to the maize goddess, a virgin danced for 24 hours, then was killed and skinned; her skin was worn by a priest in further dancing. One account says that at King Ahuitzotl's coronation, 80,000 prisoners were butchered to please the gods.
In Tibet, Bon shamans performed ritual killings.
In Borneo builders of pile houses drove the first pile through the body of a maiden to pacify the earth goddess.
In India, Dravidian people offered lives to village goddesses, and followers of Kali sacrificed a male child every Friday evening
In the Third Crusade, after Richard the Lion-Hearted captured Acre in 1191, he ordered 3,000 captives -- many of them women and children -- taken outside the city and slaughtered.
In Spain, where many Jews and Moors had converted to escape persecution, inquisitors sought those harboring their old faith. At least 2,000 Spanish backsliders were burned.
Islamic jihads (holy wars), mandated by the Koran, killed millions over 12 centuries. In early years, Muslim armies spread the faith rapidly: east to India and west to Morocco. Then splintering sects branded other Muslims as infidels and declared jihads against them. The Kharijis battled Sunni rulers. The Azariqis decreed death to all "sinners" and their families. In 1804 a Sudanese holy man, Usman dan Fodio, waged a bloody jihad that broke the religious sway of the Sultan of Gobir. In the 1850s another Sudanese mystic, 'Umar al-Hajj, led a barbaric jihad to convert pagan African tribes -- with massacres, beheadings and a mass execution of 300 hostages. In the 1880s a third Sudanese holy man, Muhammad Ahmed, commanded a jihad that destroyed a 10,000-man Egyptian army and wiped out defenders of Khartoum led by British general Charles "Chinese" Gordon.
In 1801 Orthodox priests in Bucharest, Romania, revived the story that Jews sacrificed Christians and drank their blood. Enraged parishioners stormed the ghetto and cut the throats of 128 Jews.
When the Baha'i faith began in Persia in 1844, the Islamic regime sought to exterminate it. The Baha'i founder was imprisoned and executed in 1850. Two years later, the religious government massacred 20,000 Baha'is. Streets of Tehran were soaked with blood. The new Baha'i leader, Baha'ullah, was tortured and exiled in foreign Muslim prisons for the rest of his life.
Human sacrifices were still occurring in Buddhist Burma in the 1850s. When the capital was moved to Mandalay, 56 "spotless" men were buried beneath the new city walls to sanctify and protect the city. When two of the burial spots were later found empty, royal astrologers decreed that 500 men, women, boys, and girls must be killed and buried at once, or the capital must be abandoned. About 100 were actually buried before British governors stopped the ceremonies.
In 1857 both Muslim and Hindu taboos triggered the Sepoy Mutiny in India. British rulers had given their native soldiers new paper cartridges that had to be bitten open. The cartridges were greased with animal tallow. This enraged Muslims, to whom pigs are unclean, and Hindus, to whom cows are sacred. Troops of both faiths went into a crazed mutiny, killing Europeans wantonly. At Kanpur, hundreds of European women and children were massacred after being promised safe passage.
Late in the 19th century, with rebellion stirring in Russia, the czars attempted to divert public attention by helping anti-Semitic groups rouse Orthodox Christian hatred for Jews. Three waves of pogroms ensued -- in the 1880s, from 1903 to 1906, and during the Russian Revolution. Each wave was increasingly murderous. During the final period, 530 communities were attacked and 60,000 Jews were killed.
In the early 1900s, Muslim Turks waged genocide against Christian Armenians, and Christian Greeks and Balkans warred against the Islamic Ottoman Empire.
When India finally won independence from Britain in 1947, the "great soul" of Mahatma Gandhi wasn't able to prevent Hindus and Muslims from turning on one another in a killing frenzy that took perhaps 1 million lives. Even Gandhi was killed by a Hindu who thought him too pro-Muslim.
In the 1950s and 1960s, combat between Christians, animists and Muslims in Sudan killed more than 500,000.
In Jonestown, Guyana, in 1978, followers of the Rev. Jim Jones killed a visiting congressman and three newsmen, then administered cyanide to themselves and their children in a 900-person suicide that shocked the world.
Islamic religious law decrees that thieves shall have their hands or feet chopped off, and unmarried lovers shall be killed. In the Sudan in 1983 and 1984, 66 thieves were axed in public. A moderate Muslim leader, Mahmoud Mohammed Taha, was hanged for heresy in 1985 because he opposed these amputations. In Saudi Arabia a teen-age princess and her lover were executed in public in 1977. In Pakistan in 1987, a 25-year-old carpenter's daughter was sentenced to be stoned to death for engaging in unmarried sex. In the United Arab Emirates in 1984, a cook and a maid were sentenced to stoning for adultery -- but, as a show of mercy, the execution was postponed until after the maid's baby was born.
In 1983 in Darkley, Northern Ireland, Catholic terrorists with automatic weapons burst into a Protestant church on a Sunday morning and opened fire, killing three worshipers and wounding seven. It was just one of hundreds of Catholic-Protestant ambushes that have taken 2,600 lives in Ulster since age-old religious hostility turned violent again in 1969.
Hindu-Muslim bloodshed erupts randomly throughout India. More than 3,000 were killed in Assam province in 1983. In May 1984 Muslims hung dirty sandals on a Hindu leader's portrait as a religious insult. This act triggered a week of arson riots that left 216 dead, 756 wounded, 13,000 homeless, and 4,100 in jail.
Religious tribalism -- segregation of sects into hostile camps -- has ravaged Lebanon continuously since 1975. News reports of the civil war tell of "Maronite Christian snipers," "Sunni Muslim suicide bombers," "Druze machine gunners," "Shi'ite Muslim mortar fire," and "Alawite Muslim shootings." Today 130,000 people are dead and a once-lovely nation is laid waste.
In Nigeria in 1982, religious fanatic followers of Mallam Marwa killed and mutilated several hundred people as heretics and infidels. They drank the blood of some of the victims. When the militia arrived to quell the violence, the cultists sprinkled themselves with blessed powder that they thought would make them impervious to police bullets. It didn't.
Today's Shi'ite theocracy in Iran -- "the government of God on earth" -- decreed that Baha'i believers who won't convert shall be killed. About 200 stubborn Baha'is were executed in the early 1980s, including women and teenagers. Up to 40,000 Baha'is fled the country. Sex taboos in Iran are so severe that: (1) any woman who shows a lock of hair is jailed; (2) Western magazines being shipped into the country first go to censors who laboriously black out all women's photos except for faces; (3) women aren't allowed to ski with men, but have a separate slope where they may ski in shrouds.
The lovely island nation of Sri Lanka has been turned hellish by ambushes and massacres between Buddhist Sinhalese and Hindu Tamils.
In 1983 a revered Muslim leader, Mufti Sheikh Sa'ad e-Din el'Alami of Jerusalem, issued a fatwa (an order of divine deliverance) promising an eternal place in paradise to any Muslim assassin who would kill President Hafiz al-Assad of Syria.
Sikhs want to create a separate theocracy, Khalistan (Land of the Pure), in the Punjab region of India. Many heed the late extremist preacher Jarnail Bhindranwale, who taught his followers that they have a "religious duty to send opponents to hell." Throughout the 1980s they sporadically murdered Hindus to accomplish this goal. In 1984, after Sikh guards riddled prime minister Indira Gandhi with 50 bullets, Hindus went on a rampage that killed 5,000 Sikhs in three days. Mobs dragged Sikhs from homes, stores, buses and trains, chopping and pounding them to death. Some were burned alive; boys were castrated.
In 1984 Shi'ite fanatics who killed and tortured Americans on a hijacked Kuwaiti airliner at Tehran Airport said they did it "for the pleasure of God."
The list goes on & on
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Rubito
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You forgot the burning of the library of Alexandria
We practise human sacrifice just about every day in just about every nation on earth. People die in traffic accidents all the time, yet we keep the roads open. We don't just pay a toll at the toll booth, we also pay one in human lives and human pain and misery. The US alone sacrificed tens of thousands of people last year alone in this manner. The Mayans and the Aztecs have nothing on us.
Our minds are at ease because the victims are random instead of deliberatly chosen. It's kind of the same principle as eating fish instead of meat because they 'have no feelings.' It's guilt-free blood :)
My money is on Kernow converting JMW first. Kernow is a member of the world's fastest growing religion. 
If anybody asks me what my 'religion' is I don't have a very good concise answer for them. I could say that I like the numbers 5, 11, 13, 42 and of course 93 though.
If I'm asked to fill out my religion on a form I usually put 'Catholic' since that's a pretty safe thing to put here in NYC. If I'm feeling adventurous I put 'Taoist.'
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hippiechick
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| just out of curiousity rubito - why do you put a religion at all? i can't think of a form where i've ever been asked my religion except for the census. and on that i put "none" because my beliefs dont fall into any neat category... |
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Rubito
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For the time being I'd rather it say something like "Catholic", leaving it blank or putting "none" or "N/A" could raise official eyebrows. For example, there are a lot of prejudiced idiots working for US immigration. Get my drift?
As time goes on this is becoming less and less important.
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| Rubito wrote: | For the time being I'd rather it say something like "Catholic", leaving it blank or putting "none" or "N/A" could raise official eyebrows. For example, there are a lot of prejudiced idiots working for US immigration. Get my drift?
As time goes on this is becoming less and less important. |
makes perfect sense. |
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jmw
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Thanks for the kudos QW. It's about time I get to pick on Kernow. His wit is far quicker than mine. If I got one over on him, it was purely accidental. jajajaja
Scoob... interestingly enough, one of the biggest causes of martyrs in the past has been the murder of Christians by others in the "christian" religion. The older I get, the more often I wish to take a stand and say "That is not Christ" because he is often misrepresented today.
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jmw
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My money is on Kernow converting JMW first. Kernow is a member of the world's fastest growing religion. |
LOL! Nah.. Kernow doesn't want me to pollute his religion. He's a fundamentalist. I mean look at his writings dude! jajaja
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| jmw wrote: | | Rubito wrote: |
My money is on Kernow converting JMW first. Kernow is a member of the world's fastest growing religion. |
LOL! Nah.. Kernow doesn't want me to pollute his religion. He's a fundamentalist. I mean look at his writings dude! jajaja |
You are welcome, I personally do not consider it a religion, I just consider it something natural, like eating, sleeping, farting, sex (not in that order of course).
It is not something we ever need to be converted to,as we were all pagan at one time, before we learned a religion. Children aren't born Christians etc. they are molded into Christians. We sometimes are not in tune with our natural world and need to make more of an effort.
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Great news JMW. I received this seemingly genuine E-mail today and in the spirit of sharing I am willing to donate all of this money to your church just as soon as I receive the funds in my bank account.
Mrs. Qwin Rafer
Email: qwinrafer@afamcosenza.zzn.com
Dear Sir/Madam
My name is Mrs.Qwin Rafer, I am a dying woman who have decided to donate
what I have to you/ church. I am 59 years old and I was diagnosed for
cancer for about 2 years ago, immediately after the death of my husband,
who has left me everything he worked for.
I have been touched by God to donate from what I have inherited from my
late husband to you for the good work of God, rather than allow my
relatives to use my husband hard earned funds ungodly. Please pray that the
good Lord forgive me my sins. I have asked God to forgive me and I believe
he has because He is a merciful God. I will be going in for an operation in
less than one hour.
I decided to WILL/donate the sum of $2,500,000 (two million five hundred
thousand dollars) to you for the good work of the lord, and also to help
the motherless and less privilege and also for the assistance of the
widows.
At the moment I cannot take any telephone calls right now due to the fact
that my relatives are around me and my health status. I have adjusted my
WILL and my lawyer is aware I have changed my will you and he will arrange
the transfer of the funds from my account to you.
I wish you all the best and may the good Lord bless you abundantly, and
please use the funds well and always extend the good work to others.
Contact my lawyer (Barrister Parker Brown) with this specified email:
Parkbrownesq@netscape.net and tell him that I have WILLED ($2,500,000.00) to
you and I have also notified him that I am WILLING that amount to you for a
specific and good work. I know I don?t know you but I have been directed to
do this. Thanks and God bless.
NB: I will appreciate your utmost confidentiality in this matter until the
task is accomplished as I don't want anything that will jeopardize my last
wish. And Also I will be contacting with you by email as I don't want my
relation or anybody to know because they are always around me.
Regards,
Mrs. Qwin Rafer
Happy moments,praise God.
Difficult moments,seek God.
Quiet moments,worship God.
Painful moments,trust God.
Every moment,thank God.
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