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Michael Senior Member


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Posted: Wed 07 28, 2010 12:41 pm Post subject: Court strikes down parts of AZ Law |
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parts have been blocked by a federal Judge today,
1) requiring the carring of papers
2) requiring Police to check status
3) making it illegal to apply for work without proper paper work
the court basical said it is a Federal role to control immgration that AZ can not impose on........... _________________ Life is Short so try to live everyday like it might be your last. |
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skydive Member

Joined: 21 Jul 2010 Posts: 20 Location: Miami, FL
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Posted: Thu 07 29, 2010 12:51 pm Post subject: |
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My quess is it will be appealed to the 9th circuit and affirmed, then AZ will take it to the Supreme Court and the Supremes will uphold the AZ law in a vote of 5-4.  |
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BillyB Senior Member


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Posted: Thu 07 29, 2010 1:34 pm Post subject: |
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| skydive wrote: | My quess is it will be appealed to the 9th circuit and affirmed, then AZ will take it to the Supreme Court and the Supremes will uphold the AZ law in a vote of 5-4.  |
The 9th is the most liberal appeals circuit, so I see it going to the supremes also, and agree with your outcome. |
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kernow Forum Admin


Joined: 17 Apr 2006 Posts: 20033 Location: Out there.
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Posted: Thu 07 29, 2010 6:45 pm Post subject: |
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I think it will go to the supreme court but won't go the way you think. _________________ Theology is a mild form of insanity - Frank Yerby |
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lastlion Member

Joined: 19 Nov 2008 Posts: 527 Location: San Francisco, CA
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Posted: Thu 07 29, 2010 7:54 pm Post subject: |
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| kernow wrote: | | I think it will go to the supreme court but won't go the way you think. |
Agreed!!! |
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vincent Member

Joined: 28 Jan 2010 Posts: 312 Location: Medellin, Antioquia
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Posted: Fri 07 30, 2010 8:30 am Post subject: |
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Way to go Arizona!...Go get them Sheriff Joe! _________________ "Arms will make you free, rule of law will give you freedom." Santander |
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Michael Senior Member


Joined: 16 Sep 2006 Posts: 4824 Location: Boston, MA
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Posted: Fri 07 30, 2010 11:15 am Post subject: |
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| skydive wrote: | My quess is it will be appealed to the 9th circuit and affirmed, then AZ will take it to the Supreme Court and the Supremes will uphold the AZ law in a vote of 5-4.  | from what I am reading from a pro_AZ laywer the law can be rewritten to fit the ruling of the Judge without wasting money on appeals, instead the Gov. has decided to waste taxpayers money _________________ Life is Short so try to live everyday like it might be your last. |
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Michael Senior Member


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Posted: Fri 07 30, 2010 11:16 am Post subject: |
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| vincent wrote: | | Way to go Arizona!...Go get them Sheriff Joe! | Joe is a putz................. _________________ Life is Short so try to live everyday like it might be your last. |
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vincent Member

Joined: 28 Jan 2010 Posts: 312 Location: Medellin, Antioquia
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Posted: Fri 07 30, 2010 11:47 am Post subject: |
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| Michael wrote: | | vincent wrote: | | Way to go Arizona!...Go get them Sheriff Joe! | Joe is a putz................. |
Them's fighting words. put up your dukes...
and they didn't strike it down, there is an injunction. :) which I think will be over turned. None the less, Sheriff Joe is doing his job. Maybe he will retire and do some work here in Medellin, he's consulted with Mexico and many other places that believe the law should be followed. _________________ "Arms will make you free, rule of law will give you freedom." Santander |
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Michael Senior Member


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Posted: Sat 07 31, 2010 7:15 am Post subject: |
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| vincent wrote: | | Michael wrote: | | vincent wrote: | | Way to go Arizona!...Go get them Sheriff Joe! | Joe is a putz................. |
Them's fighting words. put up your dukes...
and they didn't strike it down, there is an injunction. :) which I think will be over turned. None the less, Sheriff Joe is doing his job. Maybe he will retire and do some work here in Medellin, he's consulted with Mexico and many other places that believe the law should be followed. | He needs to retire police harrasment is not doing ones job................he has created a police state in his county _________________ Life is Short so try to live everyday like it might be your last. |
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vincent Member

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Posted: Sat 07 31, 2010 9:04 am Post subject: |
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Today Arizona and illegal Latin's, tomorrow Boston and illegal Irish and illegal Canuks in Florida... :) _________________ "Arms will make you free, rule of law will give you freedom." Santander |
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Michael Senior Member


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Posted: Sat 07 31, 2010 7:03 pm Post subject: |
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| vincent wrote: | | Today Arizona and illegal Latin's, tomorrow Boston and illegal Irish and illegal Canuks in Florida... :) | nah all the irish are legal here these days, it is middle eastern, latinos, russians that tend to be without papers in Boston these days, as for Canuks they are all move back things are better across the border than here............ _________________ Life is Short so try to live everyday like it might be your last. |
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BillyB Senior Member


Joined: 19 May 2006 Posts: 5655 Location: Burlingame, California
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Posted: Sat 07 31, 2010 7:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Michael wrote: | | vincent wrote: | | Today Arizona and illegal Latin's, tomorrow Boston and illegal Irish and illegal Canuks in Florida... :) | nah all the irish are legal here these days, it is middle eastern, latinos, russians that tend to be without papers in Boston these days, as for Canuks they are all move back things are better across the border than here............ |
There are still plenty of illegal Irish around (building trades around these parts). Lot less than before though, ever since Teddy the K used his influence to get them preferential treatment in the immigration lottery, so much so that it became known as the Irish Sweep Stakes. |
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Borsia Senior Member


Joined: 04 Dec 2005 Posts: 2769 Location: Medellin, CO
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Posted: Sun 08 01, 2010 1:07 am Post subject: |
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I found in interesting that the judge basically agreed with everything AZ had to say and nothing that the feds had to say yet swayed with the feds.
Rather obvious that she was under pressure from above to rule for the feds regardless of the facts involved. If you read her decision she sidestepped the bullet and didn't really do anything but pass the buck.
Ooh; there's a shocker. I think AZ should sue the feds for breach of contract for their abject failure to uphold and enforce federal laws.
Especially true given that after Regan did the amnesty, which he later said was a big mistake, the feds said that all immigration laws would be strictly followed afterward. _________________ Searching for the question to the ultimate answer.
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BillyB Senior Member


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Posted: Wed 08 25, 2010 4:28 pm Post subject: |
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For the politically correct dumbass liberals out there, comapare AZ's SB1070 immigration law to how Mexicans handle their illegal immigration problem, and then come back and cry us river:
"By MARK STEVENSON and E. EDUARDO CASTILLO, Associated Press Writer Mark Stevenson And E. Eduardo Castillo, Associated Press Writer – 52 mins ago
MEXICO CITY – A Mexican drug cartel massacred 72 Central and South American migrants within 100 miles of the U.S. border that they were trying to reach, according to an Ecuadorean survivor who escaped and stumbled wounded to a highway checkpoint where he alerted marines, official said Wednesday................................"
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100825/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/lt_drug_war_mexico
Oh, and before you start making excuses, remember, there is almost no difference between the cartels and the mexican gov, many work for both. |
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BillyB Senior Member


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Posted: Fri 08 27, 2010 6:04 pm Post subject: |
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| What, nothing? Where's Colombiche and her outrage? Any other faux humanitarians out there? |
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caliman Senior Member

Joined: 07 Aug 2006 Posts: 2561 Location: Los Angeles, CA
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Posted: Sat 08 28, 2010 3:16 am Post subject: |
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It's not about the Mexican government, its about the US government and it's constitution. What happened there is terrible and I think the Mexican government is much worse than he US in many more ways than immigration policy.
We expect terrible things from cartels and smugglers, why do you need people to cry out against every inhumane treatment of illegal immigrants to validate their stance? It's not "faux humanitarian" simply because we don't compare the two counties policies towards illegal immigration. Of course what happened in Mexico is much worse than what AZ is trying to pass. No one will argue that point. But we also don't tell women who are victims of domestic violence to "just be glad their not in Afghanistan or any other country where they can be stoned for anything |
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Michael Senior Member


Joined: 16 Sep 2006 Posts: 4824 Location: Boston, MA
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Posted: Sat 08 28, 2010 10:43 am Post subject: |
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| BillyB wrote: | For the politically correct dumbass liberals out there, comapare AZ's SB1070 immigration law to how Mexicans handle their illegal immigration problem, and then come back and cry us river:
"By MARK STEVENSON and E. EDUARDO CASTILLO, Associated Press Writer Mark Stevenson And E. Eduardo Castillo, Associated Press Writer – 52 mins ago
MEXICO CITY – A Mexican drug cartel massacred 72 Central and South American migrants within 100 miles of the U.S. border that they were trying to reach, according to an Ecuadorean survivor who escaped and stumbled wounded to a highway checkpoint where he alerted marines, official said Wednesday................................"
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100825/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/lt_drug_war_mexico
Oh, and before you start making excuses, remember, there is almost no difference between the cartels and the mexican gov, many work for both. | I am sure the runners in Mexico got money from those killed then sold them off to the cartels to rob and kill....... _________________ Life is Short so try to live everyday like it might be your last. |
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BillyB Senior Member


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Posted: Sun 08 29, 2010 12:01 am Post subject: |
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| caliman wrote: | | It's not about the Mexican government, its about the US government and it's constitution. |
What constitution? The AZ law was purposefully written to mirror fed law, only with more guarantees. If the feds under Obama were really concerned with local laws trying to usurp federal laws, they would be bringing dozens of law suits against localities that have sanctuary laws, laws that actually contravene federal laws. But we all know it is all about hypocrisy, both on the part of the feds under Obama (not that previous admins did anything about it either), and on the feigned outrage by the liberals and their straw man argument about the supremacy of the federal gov under the constitution, and all this angst about the noble mexican immigrant having to "suffer" the "outrages" of SB 1070, and yet nary a word about how that same mexican deals with his own illegal immigrant. As can be seen by all the outrage (or more accurately, the lack of out rage, again, I ask where is Colombiche now?) shown about that massacre perpetuated on all those poor innocent people. And I repeat, don't try to make a differentiation between the mexican gov and their cartels, they are one and the same. |
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BillyB Senior Member


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Posted: Wed 09 01, 2010 7:21 am Post subject: |
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And the example of Mexican moral superiority in immigration issues continues:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100901/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/lt_mexico_forgotten_victims
"72 dead migrants found in Mexico tip of iceberg
AP
Paula Cruz Martinez, 77, looks at the last letter she received from her son, who she did not name for security reasons, as she visits the Foreign Mini AP – Paula Cruz Martinez, 77, looks at the last letter she received from her son, who she did not name for …
By DIEGO MENDEZ, Associated Press Writer Diego Mendez, Associated Press Writer – 40 mins ago
SAN SALVADOR, El Salvador – Paula Cruz wept quietly at the foreign ministry office in El Salvador's capital after reporting that her son was missing — apparently kidnapped — in Mexico.
"I got a phone call asking me to send $2,500 to ransom him," the 77-year-old mother said, clutching the last letter she received from her 43-year-old son. "I didn't have the money. I don't know if he is alive or dead."
Cruz fears her son may be one the 72 migrants found shot to death in northern Mexico last week. She is one of hundreds of people who streamed to government offices in Central America after news of the massacre spread, searching for news of relatives who went missing after setting out through Mexico hoping to reach the United States................."
And that dumbass Obama holds up SB 1070's suit as an example of upholding Human rights? Unfuckingbelievable!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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vincent Member

Joined: 28 Jan 2010 Posts: 312 Location: Medellin, Antioquia
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Posted: Thu 09 02, 2010 7:08 am Post subject: |
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100901/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/lt_crossing_arizona
They are still coming...having driven across 'the devils highway' many times one can still only get a sense of what people will do to escape their own country and how bad it must be...
If any of the members have access to a US library...a very good read is "The Devil's Highway by Luis Alberto Urrea"...actually I enjoyed all his books... _________________ "Arms will make you free, rule of law will give you freedom." Santander |
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kernow Forum Admin


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Posted: Thu 09 02, 2010 12:44 pm Post subject: |
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Just chatted with a friend who lives near the border in AZ. She says she never sees the illegals entering, just the discarded belongings and trash. Her and her husband still leave their doors unlocked when they go for a hike. Crazy liberals, they should be carrying assault rifles at the very least when they go hiking. _________________ Theology is a mild form of insanity - Frank Yerby |
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vincent Member

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Posted: Thu 09 02, 2010 3:18 pm Post subject: |
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| kernow wrote: | | Just chatted with a friend who lives near the border in AZ. She says she never sees the illegals entering, just the discarded belongings and trash. Her and her husband still leave their doors unlocked when they go for a hike. Crazy liberals, they should be carrying assault rifles at the very least when they go hiking. |
Even the liberals appreciate Arizona's prison chain gangs who remove ton's of trash left behind when the get picked. I was proud of my state when they put in towers with mirror's that can be send for a long way off. There they can find water and a telephone, albeit it rings directly to border patrol.
The book I mentioned is good as they talk about modern tracking methods and how grisily it is to die of heat exposure. How they are found naked because people would take off their clothes because the skin was to tender. I think the earliest recorded crossing death 'recorded' was a Spaniard explorer in 1540... _________________ "Arms will make you free, rule of law will give you freedom." Santander |
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BillyB Senior Member


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Posted: Thu 09 02, 2010 6:32 pm Post subject: |
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| kernow wrote: | | Just chatted with a friend who lives near the border in AZ. She says she never sees the illegals entering, just the discarded belongings and trash. Her and her husband still leave their doors unlocked when they go for a hike. Crazy liberals, they should be carrying assault rifles at the very least when they go hiking. |
You mean they don't knock on her door in the middle of the night and announce to her that they are crossing? And how does she feel about all the garbage and shit all over her yard in the morning? Or is it that she doesn't live that close to the border? I don't know about crazy, not locking their doors, but it certainly makes them stupid. |
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vincent Member

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Posted: Thu 09 02, 2010 6:39 pm Post subject: |
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There are plenty of places along the border, say Tucson, where one could leave their door unlocked within the gated community and take a hike. Los Palamas is bomb.
http://www.westinlapalomaresort.com/ _________________ "Arms will make you free, rule of law will give you freedom." Santander |
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